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Episode 41: Housing Opportunities Made Equal with Regina Chaney!

Produced by the disAbility Law Center of Virginia.                                                            

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[Enter host, Laura Sinclair.]

 

[Laura Sinclair]:            Welcome to Rights Here, Rights Now!- a podcast about disability advocacy and activism. I'm your Advocate host, Laura Sinclair.

 

[Enter host, Valerie Jones.]

 

[Valerie Jones]:            And I'm your Advocate host, Valerie Jones.

 

[Laura]:                            Thank you, Valerie. I am so glad to talk to you, as we dig into relevant issues, current events, and avenues for self-advocacy! J Every two weeks- I can’t wait to have a discussion today!

 

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[Laura]:                            And it might as well be us.

 

[Valerie]:

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[Laura]:                            Today Valerie, it is going to be so awesome. We are hosting Regina Cheney from Housing Opportunities Made Equal [HOME].  I know you and I have had some really excited discussion to welcome our special guest today! today and yeah I know I love this organization can't wait to hear more and I know you express the same when we chatted about this. J

 

[Valerie]:                         Oh yeah, absolutely! Absolutely!

 

[Laura]:                           So, we have a lot to sink our teeth into here, but before we jump, in     

                                           let's check out disability in the news.

 

Apple is set to roll out new updates to make their devices user friendly for people with disabilities. iPads will start supporting eye tracking hardware, to allow users to control their devices with their eyes. There will also be a new background sound option to help individuals stay focused and calm by masking unwanted external noises. Apple is also going to expand the control system on phones and iPads with sounds like a click, pop or “ee” sound so those who are nonverbal or have limited mobility can control their devices. Screen readers will allow users to explore objects within images. Apple watches will be more sensitive to muscle movement to give people with limb differences control their devices without having to touch them. A new service called SignTime is launching to allow customers to communicate with Apple Support and retail representatives through American Sign Language.  

 

[Enter, again, Laura Sinclair & Valerie Jones]

 

 

[Laura]:                            Regina Cheney is joining us here today, from, Housing Opportunities made Equal, or: HOME. HOME has an AMAZING/INCREDIBLE REPUTATION within our community as far as helping people with disabilities with housing. And making a big difference. Today, we’ll be focusing on what HOME does, &, helping people with disabilities with housing. Regina, thank you so much for being here. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself, and what HOME does?

[Enter, Community Engagement and Outreach specialist, Regina Cheney]

                                          

[Regina Cheney ]:        Well, again, my name is Regina Cheney I am the community engagement and Outreach specialist for HOME.  I've been at home for 35 years; And, I'm excited that we're celebrating its 50th year anniversary in 2021! HOME is a private nonprofit organization.  We are fair housing focused, and we provide comprehensive Housing Services.  Our Fair Housing Outreach Education, and Enforcement, of housing policy and research work, and are foreclosure services are all Statewide other programs.  They are restricted to the Richmond area. And, surrounding counties and those programs include a homeownership program, which assists families who are looking to be first time home buyers, and a first-time home buyer is actually, defined as a person who has not been in a (the) home in three years.

 

We provide down payment and closing cost assistance, and housing counseling, [&] We also have a Mobility Program, which is a program where a housing counselors, help families, -who have housing Choice vouchers- find housing and low-poverty areas. Of course, we have an eviction diversion program, which provides housing counseling, and financial assistance to families to avoid eviction. And again, those programs are restricted to Richmond and surrounding counties and ----when I said surrounding counties without DPA program down payment assistance is actually Richmond Henrico Chesterfield Hanover, Goochland, New Kent, so it's a little more than surrounding counties, you know; But, those are-- that's where we stopped at service! J

             

 

[Valerie]:                         Thank you for that information.  So, what I would like to get to know, is, What are some common barriers people with disabilities face when it comes to housing?  

 

[Regina]:                         Well, first, I would say that: over 50% of our complaints are fair housing complaints are for persons with disabilities. And, actually that's not just with HOME That's a national trend! Most of that is the majority of those cases are related to esa's or service animal cases, whether that be emotional support animals, or, the other cases, are all related to reasonable accommodation issues such as late fees, that people tend to get behind with the rent because of accumulated late fees because there are maybe disability benefits, that don't come between the 1st and the 3^rd.

 

And, they come some other time of the month, and people just aren't aware that they can actually change their due date-- by requesting a reasonable accommodation. So, we do see that. The other things that we see with our resistance is sometimes from landlords to install ramps, of some sort, or another one. When I work with your housing team there was the resistance of removing carpet. And, it was either so that the person would have hardwood floors, or, [they] could install hardwood floors, if they now have a wheelchair or motorized scooter. Or mobility device. So that’s what we would say.

 

[Laura]:                            So it sounds like the people who come to you…-- um, or, that sounds like a lot of the challenges for you, [that you face] and the people who come to you. and you know it in a lot of cases, the folks you run various kinds of housing can do with accommodations and barriers that may not even have obviously been seen to anyone involved. Or, the person who has the disability knows what they need, but, it might be something no one has encountered before in the rental experience. So how do you encourage people to know what they can or cannot ask for? And what do you think are some important things for people to know about their housing rights? Just as a means of understanding when something has gone wrong and what they can do about it?

 

 

[Regina]:                         Well, first of all: People need to learn more about their rights in general. Housing rights-- Their fair housing rights and potentially those on that for persons with disabilities start laying the reasonable accommodation(s), reasonable modification, and design and construction, are two extra important protections for persons with disabilities. And I would say that if the whole point of having these Extra Protection is to allow a person with a disability to enjoy their housing unit, and that [he or she] gets full enjoyment of it as a person who does not have a disability would have the opportunity to do! I would say if someone wants something to help their unit, or, their living quarters, be more comfortable than they should certainly be allowed [to do that]. So they can call home and ask for assistance, you know, so that we can help them either draft the letter and help them to prepare for to approach that particular landlord, or, housing provider to request what they need.

 

 

[Valerie]:                         Thank you for that information, Regina. It’s very, once again, informative. I'm so enjoying this information that you're providing! But, could you tell me, how did you become involved in disability work

 

 

[Regina]:                         Yes, our listeners well actually as a Fair Housing Organization of course home staff Works to enforce and Advocate Equal Housing rights for all people.

                                          

                                           And, you know, so, of course those rights protecting persons with disabilities. And, we've been around since it's a 1971 and in 1988 and Fair Housing Act was amended-- to include disability-- as a protected class so that is how basically we became more involved. And, of course, disability is defined as a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities. So again, I say the extra protections are there to remove barriers to allow a person with a disability the full enjoyment of their life.  It is the same as a person who does not have a disability, so that's kind of how we got involved.

 

[Valerie]:                        Thank you for that.

 

[Laura]:                            HOME has been around for quite some time, doing so much work. And, if, there are a lot of folks who want to access your services, are there different ways that people who have disabilities would need to contact you, or apply for help? Or, is the processing for all individuals who want to work with home? Like what kind of requirements might you have that could be different or different information do you need for people with disabilities versus people without, to get some help?

 

 

[Dana]:                            First of all: We're here to put forth a sincere effort to help anyone who calls us with any housing issue. Okay, of them, with regards to a person with a disability. And, maybe how they contact us and certainly our website is it's a great, great source you can contact us, there. Just drop down the tab to see every service we provide. I would say the web has a form that you can actually request assistance from us online.  [And], you can give us basic information, such as your name, and your number and say: Please contact me your name your number, and maybe a little bit about, you know, what issue you're having. Please contact me. We also certainly have the W U's Virginia relay 711 which is free, is a free, public service that connects people who are deaf hard-of-hearing, deaf-blind, or, they have a speech disability-- to standard telephone users. Of course that service is available 24/7.

 

Also, over the years, of course, we have moved a couple times. But we also very conscious you know people coming into the office; so, making our building, always, making it accessible to someone who wants to stop by but I would say even use that website or give us a call the number 804-354-0641 is our number. The website is www.com of va.org. And when you submit to request so if you call in you should receive a call within 24 hours no later than 48 hours…later. (Pause.)

 

[Valerie]:                         So, if you call in you should receive a call at the process okay spell from beginning to end how long does the process normally take and can you explain this process as far as providing [those] services?

 

[Regina]:                         I would say that it all depends on what you need…So, with regards to fair housing; Now, with a fair housing complaint: First of all- We determine if the complaint meets fair housing elements. Meaning is there is there --something within-- the housing situation? Something that's covered by the Fair Housing Act: Was this person denied something based on their protected class? If, in fact, you know, if, it was a discriminatory action, there is a fine line between housing discrimination, and landlord tenant issues, so that's why it's important that people call us and talk to us about specifically what happened.

 

So it really all depends. It could be something where someone calls in and it's a simple answer…[..] I would say some cases I’ve had… I've had some cases where I when I work in the house and team goes from intake, to preparing a complaint, to filing a complaint, to having that settle, and, that can take anywhere from six months, or go into two years, depending on the situation. Now, I know that sounds like a long time. But, when you have been injured, or, if you have been denied housing, or access to housing, you're not able to be comfortable in your house. If you’ve just had a denial of a reasonable accommodation, if that is affecting how you enjoy your unit, you know, six months a year; It is really not too long if you can come out of this with what you want. Now, that can be really difficult; the people, and the families, that I work- with it's been a struggle because of the times people are looking for a quick fix.

 

But, and the other issue is the frustration throughout that process of filing a complaint because of course when you file a complaint and you talk about it and list it you're reliving this thing over and over and over and over again but our counselors for the fair housing team. You know, where your Advocate and we are there with you for the Long Haul to help you through this process. SO, it really all depends on what the situation is.

 

[Valerie]:                        Okay, thank you, I'm so quick follow up to that is: What you have to do to qualify for housing?

 

 

[Regina]:                         So, when you said ‘qualify for housing’-- we don't actually provide housing-  For any housing basic qualification, there should only be the ability to pay and credit is generally what most housing providers are looking at now what we're also looking at it home which is it's a serious issues is not a protected class at this point but working with people who have criminal histories, so as far as, how do you qualify to work with parole? You just need to have a need [for it]. As far as how you qualify for housing: It is based on whatever the housing providers asking which should generally just be credit and, on the ability, to pay and of course like I said with people who have criminal history, sometimes, there is a criminal history policy that you must you know meet those standards.

 

[Valerie]:                        Thank you for clarifying that for me.

 

[Laura]:                          It sounds like the work that you do is pretty broad, and, you also focus on some specific issues that really need support! I'm wondering if there are ways that you help people who might be in crisis? So maybe, if someone has had some really serious damage to their home, as a result of unfair housing or if someone was in unsafe conditions that weren't taking care of that so you know destruct it just directions to the property or it can inhabit it and it's me know it's a really a grabs thing do you have ways to help people who go through crisis, even if it’s where they need immediate support?

 

[Regina]:                         [So], In a situation like that, I would say number one: We do our best to keep our resource list up-to-date. Okay, so, say, for instance, someone is having a housing issue, that, where there is, there's a problem with the unit. And, it is a health and safety issue, then, that is something that we help them walk through. The landlord tenant issue we assist them in. And, providing basically information on how to file a tenant assertion. Because, if you're in a unit and you need to you need something done quickly where it is causing some issues for you to be able to feel safe in your home, then either the landlord needs to take care of that, immediately. Or, like, I said filing a tenant assertion we work very closely with Virginia Legal Aid, and the Virginia Poverty Law Center. And, in other legal teams where we can also reach out to them and ask them for assistance to help the client and help us work through that situation.

 

[Valerie]:                         Can you tell us about your role with BHC?

 

[Regina]:                         Well actually, I'm on the board of better Housing Coalition. I've been on the board for some time now- I really can't remember- I think that it’s probably five, [or] six years? Right now my focus has been on that particular board a property management team, so I work with them, you know, to do the best that they can. Which they do a great job (with) affordable housing to families in the Richmond metropolitan area.

 

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[Laura]:                            That’s pretty cool. it's good to know that there is an organization that can really bring all the organizations together, to have that big white umbrella, to provide support, you know, as we've gone through this pandemic, I think that there has been definitely a shift in what kinds of accommodations people might need? You know, housing  has been a big issue. Especially with confusing changes to get eviction law, and whether or not you can pay your rent, or utilities, and sometimes, you know, people with disabilities can have really visible disability where it might seem to be trying to clear. Like maybe you need access to a different type type of entry way to your home. But, disability, it is invisible in a lot of ways. And I'm wondering if you could tell us a little bit about invisible disabilities either as we’ve seen them before covid, or just in general. people who might have needs a parent what do you do to help people who might have invisible disabilities and what kind of accommodations might they look for?

 

 

[Regina]:                         well you know when you say invisible the first thing that comes to mind is when someone has an issue. And they have notified the housing provider of this issue, and the housing provider does not respond in a timely manner. You know, and sometimes people think that what they're working on it, they're going to get back to me, and then not hearing anything. To me, that, that, is what comes to mind when you say invisible! Which is why is it why is it so important that when you request something, when you need something, in your home, with regards to your housing, and you have made that request to your housing provider, not even verbal, because, you don't have to make a reasonable accommodation a reasonable modification, or a general request right away.

 

But, it's always helpful to do that, and when you do that you asked for a time frame: Please respond to me within 5 to 7 days or by email, so that you know if you don't get a response, then you know, what you know, then there's the next step. Then, there's, you know, Plan B: What do we do next with regards to [the situation]? Actually, I was on a call last week with some better housing Advocates from across the country. And, one of the guest speakers was Janine Warden. And, she is the associate general counsel with HUD. And, we talked about a little bit about COVID and how its effect on you know people in general, BUT, about particular people with disabilities. And it's my understanding, they said, what she was saying that they’re actually working on guidance for (some) issues relating to covid and housing issues and persons of those with disabilities.           

 

                                          

[Laura]:                           So, so just real quick I want to ask you one more question about what kind of issues you seen well as relates to Kobe because I know this is really unprecedented and we've had to come up with a lot of Creative Solutions to support people who have new types of accommodations what kind of issues have you heard about from people who may be able normal populations or want to be Dino separated from people so maybe visitors to their home or even maintenance workers or if they share a space with other tenants like an apartment building and they don't feel safe I know in our building for example we have signs up that say: ‘Please don't ride the elevator, if you're not in the same household,’ to keep distancing. So, what have you seen, in these issues, where people don't feel like they're being protected in that space? You know if you couldn’t fully enjoy it and feel comfortable?

 

[Regina]:                         The few that there’s been that I have seen or heard from are the eviction diversion team. And, for my free housing team, that would be an example of what you are mentioned with regards to maintenance. And, a maintenance repair, where someone is uncomfortable with maintenance coming in, and they want, you know, them, to do something in a particular way. And, that definitely has been a reasonable accommodation request with some people. You know , [people say] ‘didn't know that they could do that,’ OR, they thought that, you know, ‘this is this is a landlord tenant issue,’ I'm having this problem, & I'll and I know that's a fair housing issue when you have made that request. And you explain why you need what you need. And, why you're asking for the specific manner in which this particular maintenance issue might be and the housing providers are refusing to do that. Then that's definitely a reasonable accommodation request! That's how I would handle it.

 

[Valerie]:                        So can you tell us why HOME was founded, and, how did you discover how to identify needs to address??

 

[Regina]:                         Well actually, HOME was founded because:  There was a small group of people in Richmond, who recognized and really were outraged, families, in the Richmond area, did not have equal access to housing- because of some discriminatory actions- that were just too casual and to accept people like that, at the time. So, they decided to do something to combat this illegal and morally wrong housing practice and that's basically how was founded. And I'd like to say that, you know, over the years, we've had some many victories some that are well-known. And they have set precedent and provided a national impact! But, it basically was a small group of people recognizing a problem and addressing it which is a basic background.

 

 

[Valerie]:                        And kudos to them for doing that!

 

 

[Regina]:                         Exactly, exactly, I'm excited, and, I'd like to share some and you look at your fair housing WEBSITE, drop down a couple of videos. And, one on the talks about the history of HOME, &, the other that talks about organizational standing. And why that's so important. And how HOMES. actually that was one of the national impacts has set a precedent across the country. And then, we have one on redlining, and a few others, but, most of them are about maybe 5 to 7 minutes long so they're relatively short but very very powerful and impactful.

 

[Laura]:                           I agree! I think I saw you all in the news recently, for helping someone out who had a disability. And he (she?) was being discriminated against. I heard about a case in Richmond, where a woman had a situation where the person who rents didn't want to rent to someone with a disability! And I would imagine that's something that you won't run into frequently?

 

 

[Regina]:                         Yes, actually, and we've had quite a few cases. BUT, I can tell you some of the worst cases I've seen when I was on the fair housing team, and if I could share that a little bit of that?? I was working with the lady who lives in a senior housing community, and it was an emotional support animal issues. And, she had made a request too… I think she had she had one cat and she wanted another one, like, a brother passed away, or something. But, anyway, both of these cats, she had documentation to prove that you know, she was allowed to have them. Anyway, so I was talking to her and walking her through the complaint process, in the very beginning and so the land the property manager, who this lady she had already talked to the property manager, about their previous discussions.

 

Which obviously, they didn't get along at this point, and so then, the tenant said to the property manager: “I really would prefer that my son be present when we have future conversations,” and she made that very clear.  Now, I am on the phone with this tenant. My client, at the time, [I] explained to her the process and she became very upset and I asked her I said what is that noise?? And she said: ‘That is the property manager banging on my door!’ and I was like, ‘What is it that she wants??’ Just like, she she wants to talk and I've already told her, and this this lady was banging so hard and yelling! I can hear her on the phone, and so, I asked my client- I said I tell you what, I said, I want you to go to the door, and,, I want you to give the property manager your phone and I want to speak to her!

 

And so, she did and I told the property manager that I was who I was. I was trying to have a conversation is my understanding that she has informed you that she wants her son present. And if you don't leave I am going to call the police. And, please give her her phone back and she did. And I mean, it was simple as that but was the and taking this lady through this and after that particular incident you know and it took me awhile just talkin’ to her to try to calm her down. Which, this violation, you know, but the day after she actually went into the hospital and was there for a couple days. Because of all of what happened you know it was just I was just amazed… What are the other things that come to mind is another ESA case I had…an emotional support animal. But a landlord became angry that the tenant had filed a complaint and so I think the tenant might have been late on the rent or something. And, the landlord took them to court for two months of rent unpaid.

 

Well the tenant had proof that they had actually paid that month and they were charging them for the next month and hadn't even come and it was just you know the anxiety for this particular person. It  was just so high! Because in preparing for court getting all of her documentation together, the rudeness of this landlord, and the fact that she had to get family to take off work to go with her to court! It was such an inconvenience and I'm thinking you know why it's just amazing to me how people are treated so unnecessarily cases that come to mind to me that… that just really bothers me!

 

 

[Valerie]:                        Thank you! For thosem for sharing those, with us very difficult and I would like to know is are there any policies are put in place to protect Virginians with disabilities?

 

[Regina]:                         Virginians with disabilities policies are in place or governing arms I guess you would say with me certainly the Fair Housing Act and the Americans with Disabilities Act those two in particular.

 

[Laura]:                           You know, Regina, you told us, about, you know, the the folks you are the ones who are inconvenienced standing up for their rights. It's so troubling to hear that the burden ends up being on the people who are being victimized time and time again! And that if you don't have the resources even if you know you're right, and you may not have the resources to do the right thing. You know what can someone do if maybe they think they know, that their rights have been violated, but, they can't address it at the time? Maybe they dealt with a landlord, you know, like like the woman you were telling us about, banging at the door? Maybe they experience as they moved to live like that. And now maybe a couple months has passed and they've been able to go back to work at the money and they know their rights were violated is there any way for people to seek some kind of Justice or recourse for things that have happened in the past that now they can take on??

 

 

[Regina]:                          Oh absolutely that's why you called home you know for us to help you through that process now you made a good point say Frances there was something happening and the person felt that tenant felt like I can't stay here any longer I need to get out of here and they left okay you can still file a fair housing complaint even after you left that situation as long as you file within a year okay and even if something is going on that it's an ongoing issue it is the time frame is one year from the date of The Last Action okay so even if it was June 2020 and it's an issue that has been going on for the last nine months and you just decided to file a fair housing complaint the time starts when you wear that last action occurred and even when you file a complaint if things are still have being or you know this issue still going on you know it hasn't stopped so it's a year for whenever, stop, okay.

 

BUT AGAIN, even if a person has to move out of that particular housing situation, on to somewhere else, YES- they can still file as long as within that one year time frame and it's so important that when things happen to people that they feel uncomfortable about it is important to WRITE things down because you know through frustration anxiety you forget the details. So to step back and think about when this happened, what was said, if it's not an email- It was just verbal. You can write it down that's okay and it doesn't have to be typed or anything it could be on anything that you can find pay piano to Bright it on but just keep the details who you talk to and what happened and when it happened and let us help you through that process!

 

[Valerie]:                        That Was…so much information! So much information! and I greatly appreciate you providing us for our listeners, so, can you again tell them where they can go to find out more information?

                                   

 

[Regina]:                         Our website, if it’s still on our website is www.Homeofva.org.  And, the telephone number 804 3540 641 [Val: thank you for the information] Absolutely!

 

[Virginia]:                   Regina, one quick question that you know, I think I'm past the community-at-large but especially is heightened for people who face barriers. And, things continue to change, our economy. And you know there's a widening gap of lower, and high-income folks, you know that our region the Richmond region has even been used as a particular example of housing issues. And, we know that housing has become unaffordable for a lot of people and that people are having to relocate from neighborhoods where they have been raised ingrown especially essential for COVID, and, increases private renters seem to be disappearing as bigger companies eat them up. SO, WHAT can I do to stand up against an affordable housing you know so that shelter can be a right that's available to everyone you know as a community we seen a lot of activism you people becoming more interested in vocalizing resistance to push back against our problem to try to advocate for accessible housing for all??-

 

 

[Regina]:                         Well, you're absolutely right. Right now, housing affordability is a big issue for just about any and everybody now if you're not making six figures I would say definitely go to a website and voice your opinion you go to our policy and research tab I am frustrated about XYZ I would like someone to let you know so that when we began to Advocate and work with other groups to address these issues you can be notified when they're a housing Summits when there's discussion. You know maybe even when we go to doing the general assembly, we're always looking for people who want who feel comfortable in speaking and we actually assist you with that. I mean, to have your voice heard. But I would say definitely go to that website and just give us your opinion say what you're frustrated because Gathering all that information helps us to advocate for for everyone.

 

[Laura]:                           Thank you so much! That, that's, so important it is to help the community to understand that there are steps that they can take and that you may be difficult to deal with a systemic problem but you know as as a group we can support each other through all different kinds of barriers. And you all are just doing incredible work! You know Valerie said it best: we couldn't be more appreciative of the time that you've taken to grow out so much information on this time has flown by and I know I'll be thinking we can make it probably talk about this all day and the good thing is you shared a way for people to contact you on so they can keep the discussion going. J

 

 

[Regina]:                         Absolutely! Absolutely! And if somebody, you know, is that so which way to go my name is Regina you just call the number 804-354-0641 or go to the website and say have Regina call me you know, and, I'll make sure you get your put in the right place thank you for that that's awesome call Virginia call Virginia thank you so much we've enjoyed having you say I love sharing information and you know I want with people if you learn something today share it you know how the conversation with someone else because you never know who's got what people are going through you know and sometimes it's just kind of having a conversation and talking about what you've heard from someone to share maybe something they've been dealing with that they know someone else's deal so I would say share the information.

 

[Valerie]:                        Thank you, thank you, thank you so much. I really can’t say this enough. Thank you!

 

[Regina]:                         You’re welcome- And, thank you for having me.

 

[Valerie]:                        And now, a dLCV highlight.

 

 

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[Valerie]:                        So good to hear from Regina. I am quite sure that a lot of individuals out going to the HOME website to find out more information!

 

[Laura]:                           You know, I know we said a couple times. that we could have talked to Regina all day about all the work that they've done! I mean, HOME is really just helping our community in so many ways. Between you and me I didn’t expect to learn so much today and I'm sure all of our listeners in one way or another could learn something. J

 

[Valerie]:                        YES, I have to agree with that. J

 

[Laura]:                           Well, you are just the best co-host ever Valerie! And thank you all for listening to this episode of: Rights Here, Rights now, brought to you by the disability Law Center of Virginia! We’re available on Apple podcasts Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Don't forget to subscribe, and of course, we always love a review.

 

[Valerie]:                        If you need assistance, or want more information about dLCV, and what we do, visit us online at dLCV.org. You can also follow us on Twitter with the handle @disabilitylawva, and share us with your friends. Until next time I'm Valerie Jones!

 

 

[Ren]:                               And I’m Laura Sinclair. And this has been: Rights Here, Rights Now

 

 

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